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Right.

Now it's crossed my mind a moment ago, because I don't know what length of bolt to buy for the water pump housing in my Vit, that it would be an invaluable resource to have a list of all the bolt sizes and lengths for pretty much the whole of each car.

So, here I am, may it do ya fine, and good folken, I seek aid and succor of you, yar.

I acknowledge that this is going to be a bit of a monster project, and furthermore, I acknowledge that that's a major understatement, however - I can but try.

I'm gonna write a list of cars, and engines, and folks, if you'd be so kind as to help me with this, any time you do a job on your beloved BL product, measure a bolt or two and help me out?

The first part is going to be generating a list of all the models, right down to trim levels, and just looking at this, I'm beginning to see how big a project this is going to be.
I'll start by just listing the more general names, but I hope to lay it all out in this sort of pattern;
- CAR --> BODY TYPE; (this if applicable, because for certain cars, the Metro, for example, it isn't). --> ENGINE --> TRIM LEVEL, followed by a simple list of set screw measurements in this pattern;
- FASTENING TYPE; (e.g - set screw/ bolt/ allen bolt, etcetera etcetera), DIAMETER --> HEAD SIZE --> LENGTH, (albeit with properly named descriptions, hopefully).

It will look quite repetitive for the moment, because I intend for it to be a full list, rather than just a crossover - rather than one of those tickbox affairs, a full list of bolt measurements for each and every car, so repeated bolt measurements are fine. Lord knows we've got the bandwidth, so let's make it as full a list as we can - that way, instead of having to cross-reference cars by a chart, we can just look down the list, find the car we want, look down that car's list of bolts and not have to fuss.

800s I've got help with, in the form of 800.info and Brad (mainly), but some of the other models I might have to ask for major help in listing all the models and trim levels that were made. 200s and Metros, just for example.

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I also intend to mark them all up as set screws, rather than bolts, where possible. Unless shoulder length is specified, presume I've used a set screw.

I've also had a bit of a play to get the optimum length, and I reckon where known, bolt lengths can be split into overall, shoulder and thread, thusly;

- Yadda yadda, Bolt description goes here, y0 -
Fastening Type - | --> Diameter - | --> Head size - | --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |



Rover Fastenings Dimensions List

Metro
- Hatchback -
- 111
- GSi
- GTi
- GTa
- 114
- GSi
- GTi
- GTa

R8
- Hatchback -
- 214 (K8 Carburettor)
- 214 (K8i)
- SLi
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SEi
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- GSi
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 214 (K16i)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 216 (K16i)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 220 (T16i N/Asp)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 220 (T16i Turbo)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |

- Saloon -
- 414
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 416
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Coupé -
- 216 {SOHC D16i)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 216 (DOHC D16i)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 216 (K16i)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 218 (VVC K16i)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 220 (T16i)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 220 Turbo (T16i Turbo)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |


600
- Saloon -
- 618
- 620 Ti (T16i Turbo)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- 620 SLi (H20i (?))
- 620 Si (H20i (?))
- GSi?
- 623 GSi (H23i)


800

Mk I
- Fastback -
- 820 (M16i N/Asp)
- 820
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- E
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SE
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- i
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Si
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SLi
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 820 Turbo "Tickford" (M16i Turbo)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 825 D (VM)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 827 (C27a)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Si
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Vitesse
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Saloon -
- 825 (C25a)
- i
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Sterling
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 827 (C27a)
- Si
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SLi
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Sterling
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |



Mk II
- Fastback -
- 820 (T16i)
- i
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Si
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SLi
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Sterling
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 820 Vitesse (T16i Turbo)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 825 D (VM)
- Di
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SD
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SDi
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SLD
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 827 (C27a)
- i
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Si
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- SLi
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Sterling
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- Saloon -
- 820 Vitesse (T16i Turbo)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Coupe -
- 820 Vitesse (T16i Turbo)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 820 Sterling (T16i N/Asp)
- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - Set Screw --> Diameter - M6 --> Head size - 10mm --> Length 30mm
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 825 Sterling (KV6)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |
- 827 (C27a)
- Caliper Carrier Bolts -
Fastening Type - Bolt --> Diameter - M10? --> Head size - 17mm --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - |

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 2:56 pm 
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They don't always use set-screws though. For example, the water pump doesn't use fully threaded bolts. I find that when replacing bolts it is the shank length that is more important to me because I can always cut down the thread part.


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Valid point, Daz. Perhaps we should add fastening type to the list.

Yeah, I'll do that.

Hokay, edited.

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Fairly thankless job Chris :( Best of luck with it though.

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Yeah, I do have the feeling I might just have assigned what I'm doing with the rest of my life.
Nevermind.

As I said, any and all help appreciated with this one...

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Yes, but I have almost infinite patience, so with luck, I might just survive...

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Yes, but if you ever go on mastermind, your specialist subject will be fasteners lengths of 1990's Rovers :|

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Which would be a bit sad. Nevermind.

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Yes, but if you ever go on mastermind, your specialist subject will be fasteners lengths of 1990's Rovers :|

At least you'd be able to set your own questions since no-one else would even begin to have a clue !!

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Fastening Type - | --> Diameter - | --> Head size - | --> Length - | :|

Fastening Type - | --> Diameter - | --> Head size - | --> Overall length - | --> Shoulder length - | --> Thread length - | :(

Fastening Type - | --> Diameter - | --> Head size - | --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - | :)

- Water Pump Housing bolts -
Fastening Type - | --> Diameter - | --> Head size - | --> Overall - | --> Shoulder - | --> Thread - | :!: :D

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Tbf it would be a usefull thing to have handy, especially seeing as XPart sell new bolts at rediculous prices and the nearest dealer involves a 45 mile round trip. When I had to buy new rear suspension bolts for the lower arms of my Coupe I had to fork out £3.62 + VAT for EACH bolt, that was like £16 for 4 bloody bolts!

Would also be an idea to put down the load rating of the bolts seeing as you have so much time on your hands :wink: :P

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F**k me Stef, I'm only human...

Plus, I seem to be getting a LOT of input here. Thanks for the help RT!

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Well where exactly are we supposed to know the details for the bolts from?! EPC and RAVE are useless when it comes to that, and the bolts themselves are usually equally useless only providing the load rating :wink:

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F**k knows.

Someone might do.

If they do, lett'm put it down.

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Next time I remove a bolt (however obscure and insignificant), I'll try to remember to measure it...

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Ok, this will seem strange but when doing the rear brake caliper carrier on the 800, the spanner/socket sizes are 8, 10, 12 and 14mm. Now, I thought that metric bolts of an even number diameter had odd numbered head sizes eg 13mm head on an 8mm bolt. Perhaps the EPC will give the bolt size but perhaps not the exact description.
I've bookmarked a US site which does bolts and setscrews and even goes into quite some detail about the different types.
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Good move, Gordon.

To that, I think it's also a good idea to find the bookmark I've got on the screwfix page of bolts...

Screwfix Bolt shopping page

That's where I buy my bolts.

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The one that keeps the shock in place pinch bolt i think its called

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Well said danny boy dont you think we spend enough time under our motors without booking an extra wk off for some measuring time lol,you weren't on the sauce when you thought up this humongus task was you :w00t: :lol:

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Good move, Gordon.

To that, I think it's also a good idea to find the bookmark I've got on the screwfix page of bolts...

Screwfix Bolt shopping page

That's where I buy my bolts.


Hey that links handy as my work Burdens has just gone into a partnership with screw fix so i wunt have to go far to order things sh1t i could order it whilst getting a coffee from our trade counter lol and it be delivered to me at work too no extra cost nice :D

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T16 oil pump to block bolts:

M6 x 30mm. 9mm shank, 8mm hex flanged head, eight off

M10 x 45mm. 15mm shank, 13mm hex flanged head, one off

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Likely to be identical on all T16 applications, turbo and N/Asp also, Ant?

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Should be, me old mucker. Possibly L-series too as I think they use the same oil pump? Or it could be the crank oil seal I'm thinking about.

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Vard, you can probably easily add the dims of the big end nuts and studs now as you wont need to dismantle much to get there :oops: :sorry:

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Vard, you can probably easily add the dims of the big end nuts and studs now as you wont need to dismantle much to get there :oops: :sorry:


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Right, got some more for you, me duck:

All T16, all grade 8.8, except for the adapater plate screws, which I can't remember, if they were indeed marked.

sump (steel):

M6 x 12mm, 8mm hex flanged head, 17 off
M6 x 24mm, 8mm hex flanged head, 1 off

Oil pick up pipe:

M6 x 12mm, 8mm hex flanged head, 1 off
M6 x 17mm, 8mm hex flanged head, 2 off

Sump oil drain:

M8, 13mm hex flanged nut, 2 off

Engine mount (to block):

M8 x 24mm, 10mm hex flanged head, 5 off
M8 x 55mm, 32mm shank, 10mm hex flanged head, 1 of

Aluminium pump housing to engine block:

M10 x 49mm, 20mm shank, 13mm hex flanged head, 5 off
M10 x 59mm, 29mm shank, 13mm hex flanged head, 1 off
M8 x 55mm, 30mm shank, 10mm hex flanged head, 1 off
M8 x 141mm, 107mm shank, 13mm hex head & plain washer, 1 off

Rear crank seal:

M6 x 16mm, 8mm hex flanged head, 5 off

Adapter plate to engine block:

M8 x 14mm, counter sunk head (18mm dia.), T50, 4 off

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chris we need an update, the suspense of not knowing the latest rover fastening dimensions is killing me :D

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jesus christ... your lack of taste in music suddenly became the least of my worries about you vard. :|

bolt sizes... seriously??

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